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WHAT’S THE FUSS OVER FEMALE PASTORS—PART 2: The Cultural Interpretation Debate

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At the start, I want to make it very clear that I am not sharing this following story to vent my anger, “get one over on” my aggressors, whine, complain, or be petty. This event in my life taught me a lesson that no college class in the world could have bestowed. I actually couldn’t be more grateful for this small outbreak against me, because it lit an all-consuming fire within me to keep going not only in the face of discouragement, but because of the nature of the discouragement. By sharing this with you, I hope to encourage the same fire for Christ in at least one reader. If that happens, I’ve accomplished my goal. God can and will use anyone for His Kingdom work, as long as that person doesn’t allow darts (from the enemy or another person) to keep him or her from it.

At the time I was writing The Handmaidens Conspiracy, I went on The Jim Bakker Show[i] to talk about another of my books, Radicals: Why Tomorrow Belongs to Post Denominational Christians Infused with Supernatural Power. I spoke on several topics, from the book of James’ “faith without works is dead” conundrum, to what “lukewarm” really meant to the Laodiceans in the book of Revelation, to what the Church as a whole needs to do to embrace the current movement of the radical Body that God is raising up all around us—and several other topics. My central message, however, was to embolden members of our current Body to rise up and take ownership of their role in the Great Commission with passion and love for all. This should be done regardless of how uncomfortable it makes people in the Body feel, which is the central message of Radicals.

Toward the end of the interview, Brother Jim gave me the opportunity to give a final word to the audience members, who responded with a double standing ovation (one of which occurred off-camera). Several points of discussion led up to and fully explained my final words. However, about a week later, SkyWatch TV emailed me a YouTube video they had made involving only my final—and strongest—thoughts. They asked for my permission to present the video and, of course, I agreed. The video was posted the following day with the title, Does the Future of the Church belong to Radicals?

The short piece opened with the following statements, spoken seriously and passionately as a wrap-up to all that I had said prior about the stagnant and apathetic developments I have witnessed in the Body of Christ:

Listen to me, women. You are not what men have said that you are. And I know I’m not talking to everybody; some of you are like me and you’re lucky—you have a man who treats you beautifully. Some of you are not. You have been told that your value only goes so far, and that is not who you are. You are not defined by your outward appearance. You are not defined by what the men in your life say that you are. (Applause.)

Men, you got little boys. You have young men at home, or at church or in your community. They need to be told what a man looks like. Men need to teach the young boys how to separate the boys from the men… So, everybody is called. Look up the Priesthood of the Believer. Everyone is called. There is no such— If you’re a Christian, you’re “called.” There is no such thing as, “Oh, I’m going to go into the ministry; I think that the Holy Spirit is telling me to go into the ministry.” If you’re a Christian and you have the Holy Spirit living here [I circled my heart], you are going to be called into the ministry in your community.

Millennials and teenagers [I pause for the applause to die down]. Millennials and teenagers, I wanna make something very clear to you. You are so passionate right now. Bless you for your passion. But, you are—some of you are—channeling that passion into pride parades and activism and all kinds of social nuances that are not fulfilling to you. The reason it’s not fulfilling to you is because sometimes you’re getting things for free that you demanded to have for free and when you get what you wanted, you’re not able to appreciate it because you didn’t earn it. And the other thing that you need to remember is that as you’re going out and you’re being all active and you’re being all passionate, you’re never going to be fulfilled, because there is something else that is needing to be filled here [I circle my heart again], and you’re not gonna find it in any other place besides Jesus Christ. But! To those [paused for applause to die down]. To those young people who feel called right now, but who have been told by older people in their life that “You’re young, and you’re stupid, and you’re never going to amount to anything,” you have no idea that you are tomorrow’s leader, but you are! And if God decides to raise up a radical, He only needs one voice for an entire Great Awakening, and it could be yours![ii]



The crowd was so loud toward the end of these words that I found myself shouting just to be heard above the noise. The funny thing is, my words weren’t even that articulate. I wasn’t saying anything new, and I certainly wasn’t saying anything that just about anyone else in the Church couldn’t have said with equal zeal. Nothing about my words were particularly powerful or anything most members of the Church aren’t already aware of. In fact, the constant applause was a bit surprising to me, which is why I can be seen laughing during the standing ovation. (Well that, and the fact that I was joyful to see my words encouraging people out there.) Until this moment, I still have no idea why my words drew such an enormous reaction, but evidently the Church is so starving for encouragement that it only takes one voice to say the simplest thing. There I was, attempting to tell “that other voice out there” to stand up and live his or her ministerial potential to its fullest, and that “voice” in the moment was mine.

It was unreal how that taping went down.

And then I got home…

For the first twenty-four hours or so after the video recap that SkyWatch TV put up, viewers were allowed to post comments. The comments were coming up so fast that more were appearing even as I read them, and many were replying to posts left by others.

Every single comment was hateful and derogatory.

I was getting slammed with more insults flooding the screen than I could keep up with, and they were harsh. But I’m in the media fairly often, and I’ve written several books, so I wasn’t exactly shocked by the Internet trolls, as it was most definitely not their first attack upon me. One must grow tough skin and get used to the idea of being challenged if he or she ever plans to put a message out there, and I accept that. What did shock me, however—to the very core—was why they were attacking me. I remember some of these conversations very clearly. One that I copied before it was taken down is as follows (with errors removed):

Person 1: “A woman reverend, eh? Where’s the Scripture verse on that one?”

Person 2: “Oh, I totally agree! God is immutable. He never changes, so this Donna Howell character owes the world an explanation for why she believes God is suddenly calling WOMEN to say anything in the Church, including herself.”

Person 3: “Agreed. Evidently she hasn’t read 1 Corinthians where it is said that women are never to speak in a church.”

Person 4: “She really should be ashamed of herself. The best service this apostasy woman [yes, I was really called an “apostasy woman”] could do for the Church is to sit down, shut up, and repent.”

Person 1 again: “Glad to see I’m not the only one with a brain in the Body of Christ.”

Person 5: “The Bible says that a woman shouldn’t speak in a church, yes, but it also says that a woman should not usurp the authority of a man, and she is clearly guilty of this. Who is she to tell men how to raise their sons? She is going against Scripture now in at least two ways!”

Person 6: “Guys, don’t be worried about all this. This woman isn’t going to stir up anything for the Lord. Nothing will come of it. She’ll be thrown out soon enough with all the other garbage ministers and crazies who thought they were gonna start a pretentious women’s lib movement in the Church. Rest assured that God will silence her. It’s nothing to worry about. J”

This final comment immediately reminded me of what Gamaliel said to the Pharisees and Sadducees in Acts 5:35–39 as they stood at the ready to slay Jesus’ followers:

Men of Israel, take care what you are about to do with these men. For before these days Theudas rose up, claiming to be somebody, and a number of men, about four hundred, joined him. He was killed, and all who followed him were dispersed and came to nothing. After him Judas the Galilean rose up in the days of the census and drew away some of the people after him. He too perished, and all who followed him were scattered. So in the present case I tell you, keep away from these men and let them alone, for if this plan or this undertaking is of man, it will fail; but if it is of God, you will not be able to overthrow them. You might even be found opposing God!

If I’m a cult leader or some “women’s lib movement” leader going against God’s will, then, as Gamaliel (the apostle Paul’s teacher and one highly esteemed by his Pharisaic companions) said, my words and ministry will eventually fade away. But if I am being sent by God to say what I’m saying now, then I should do so boldly and let nothing stand in my way, because I am doing the Lord’s work. The issue, then, is whether or not a woman in my place is truly in God’s will by being a minister. That is a discussion I will spend the majority of this series unpacking, as it relates to every female under God from Eve to today. (Readers should remember this Gamaliel logic in your own life: God is all powerful. He will not hide from you. If you’re off track, He will let you know personally, and He will not allow apostasy to flourish and last amidst His people. But if you’re on the right path, you will come against aggression and persecution, whether it is a temporary hiccup or a lifelong battle. Pray for wisdom ere you go, as the epistle of James states repeatedly.)

These YouTube comments were a few of many, and all—every last one—came against me, not because of my message of encouragement, or even because my teaching was in error, but because I’m a woman. I happened to be born female, and therefore (as they say) God cannot use me in this specific platform. I am to “sit down, shut up, and repent.” To believe otherwise is to be an “apostasy woman.” Even more frustrating than this is that the rest of my message (the earlier portions of the taping that this particular audience hadn’t viewed) was important as context to this final stretch. When SkyWatch TV asked if they could only show this last portion, it never occurred to me how “usurping” or “women’s lib movement” it may have appeared. So, all this judgment was without full understanding to begin with.

Many more crude things were said about me as the minutes flew by. Some of the names I was called are too profane to even repeat. (Suffice it to say that only by preaching, I have now been compared to a woman who sells her body for money in dark alleyways—this accusation given by so-called Christians.) But I will never forget what I read, not because it hurt me deeply, but because it showed me the level of scriptural ignorance that plagues the Body of Christ…and I am saddened by what people are really garnering from the holy texts of old.



After I read the comments, I called Joe, a coworker, and vented. He, too, was not the least bit shocked that I was coming under attack (as any minister of the Gospel will), but he was equally surprised by why. We only talked for about thirty minutes, but it was enough to pull me out of the funk I was in and get my head back on straight. Joe reminded me of one of my own messages:

If they are that bothered by what you’re doing, they should find a medium to teach what they believe instead of trolling other members of the Body from their PC or smartphones at home.

If the Holy Spirit is behind their work, He will bless it. But online badgering isn’t doing anything godly or productive. All it does is the opposite, and your Radicals book essentially states that over and over again. You’re simply a target of the very kind of attack you’re preaching against. What irony! The enemy would love nothing more than for you to “sit down, shut up, and repent” for being obedient to the Lord’s radical calling on your life. What you need to do is the opposite: Stand up, shout, and glorify God.

You know that, don’t you? I mean, what did you expect? That the enemy would send you happy thoughts and that the “old suits” in the Church would stand behind you? No way, man! When God says “go,” you go. That’s in your book, too. What are you waiting for?

I will admit that I have many times been challenged to check, recheck, and check again all the theology I am speaking about right now. Each time someone throws a verse at me, I pray again for wisdom and reassurance. I know that the biblical interpretations included in this series will get me into hot water, and I’m already anticipating the darts. But I also know that true Christianity is frequently uncomfortable. The Bible is packed with proof that the followers of God were recurrently confronted by His own people. Christ, Himself, was heatedly opposed by the Church leaders of His day. I am not Christ, I am not a prophet, and I am no smarter or grander than any other within the Body. My message may not be more intelligently or articulately presented than others’. But this conundrum about women’s voices has to be addressed—and from my standpoint, nobody else is taking the reins.

Are we really still—still—saying that women aren’t allowed to speak in the Church? Is that really, truly, honestly something we’re continuing to teach?

The answer is yes.

Ironically, months before I even sat on the panel at the Jim Bakker Show, I had already been compiling research on this issue, because I felt that it was long since time that women be seen as the leaders the Bible repeatedly refers to. Voices like those that came against me on YouTube have stifled countless female preachers, teachers, and prophets throughout the ages, and frankly, this must come to an end if we are ever to fulfill the prophecies from the Word that directly declare women to be essential leaders in this—and following—generations. (That’s why, when the comments began, I copied several of them. I already had this book underway, and I knew there would be other women out there who could relate to such an incident.)

When I initially heard from the Lord that this book needed to be written, Defender Publishing’s release schedule had me booked for research work on several other titles, so the project was shelved until I was once again free to give it my complete focus. Then, earlier this year, SkyWatch TV sent me to a women’s conference where the subject of women preachers was dealt with in depth. When I returned home for a debriefing meeting, I sat with CEO Tom Horn and told him that I thought the time was now for this message to reach the hundreds, thousands, and perhaps millions of women who are right at this moment allowing themselves to remain silent under the misconstrued concepts of a Church that often refuses to balance patriarchal and matriarchal hierarchies. Tom agreed, and the work began immediately. When the comments on YouTube flashed up on my screen, it was merely a confirmation.

But before we discuss what the Bible says, it’s important to address the question of culture that so many continue to voice.

UP NEXT: Today’s Culture Is Not the Final Authority

[i] This interview is available at the following link: Donna Howell, The Jim Bakker Show, aired June 6, 2017, 19:58–26:51,

[ii] “Does the Future of the Church Belong to RADICALS?” a YouTube video, uploaded by SkyWatch TV on June 13, 2017,

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